Hallo Taurec!

Zu Stalking Wolf sollte man sich dieses mal durchlesen:

Auszüge:

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=390.0;wap2

"There is a series of outdoor books written by a Quaker named
Ernest Thompson Seton between 1910 and 1920. Tom Browns writings and
knowledge come directly from these books.

Sieht mir sehr unwahrscheinlich aus (bei Nachlesung).
http://books.google.fr/books?id=3JmGXOwty4IC&printsec=frontcover&dq=ernest+thompson+seton+little+savages&source=bl&ots=Wq6JS1BW25&sig=yPZ6FJLMtlN0SqYn-qUDMiQRIEg&hl=fr&ei=phNWS-WTLMHajQf-9bibDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CBgQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=&f=false

[quote]Stalking Wolf and his grandson Rick were proven to have never existed by
a Alibamu-Kosati writer and researcher for NAIDV named Sondra
Ball."[/quote]

Wuerde mich interessieren wie das bewiesen wurde. Es gibt nur diese Aussage ueber Beweis (?) dass sonst nirgendwo zu finden ist (ausser, seit gestern, ein neuer Kopie im Weltenwendeforum). Bei newagefraud.org wird danach gefragt, es wir aber nicht gegeben.

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=390.5;wap2

Zitat wurde uebernommen von
http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Tom_Brown,_Jr.
mit anderen zuverlaessigen Artikeln wie
http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Nostradamus

"Tom Brown, Jr. is the author of a number of fiction books with
titles like The Tracker, The Vision, The Way of the Scout, and The Quest,
that oddly are found in the non-fiction or autobiography sections. In
these books, he tells of how as a boy in New Jersey, he and a childhood
friend "Rick" (whom nobody can seem to locate to corroborate the story)
were approached by an old Apache tracker named Stalking Wolf who took them
under his wing as his apprentices and taught them wilderness tracking,
along with loads of supernatural woo such as how to make themselves
invisible, walk through walls, kill deer using their bare hands while
falling out of a tree, go on shamanic journeys, permanently
frostbite-proof themselves by taking a hike, change shape, spend a summer
living naked in the forest foraging plants for survival, magically escape
from a pack of wild dogs who think they are wolves, trick their parents
into thinking they were at home doing homework when in fact they were
spending weeks at a time in the New Jersey pine barrens being taught by an
Apache tracker, and too much else to list here.

Diese Text enthaelt mehrere Beweise dafuer dass dieser Person die Buecher nicht (gut) gelesen hat oder jedenfalls vieles hineininterpretiert. (Ich habe die alle gelesen.)

[quote]The story is simply too implausible to take seriously, yet it is marketed
as non-fiction and is popular especially in New Age bookstores, where
people desparately want to believe in tripe like this.

Some obvious questions come to mind immediately: An Apache tracker just
picks two boys out of the blue - in New Jersey of all places - to become
his apprentices? How did these boys manage to spend to much time running
around in the woods without their parents noticing?[/quote]
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Wie oben.

[quote]The story bears more than a casual resemblance to the 1903 childrens novel
Two Little Savages by Ernest Thompson Seton (who was largely responsible
for all the pseudo-Indian woo in the Boy Scouts of America), and to Boy
Scout pseudo-Indian woo in general, making it possible that Brown read and
was inspired by Seton's book, which is about two boys who go into the woods
to "live as Indians" for a while, learning woodcraft, tracking, and other
woods skills. Brown's story is also a classic childhood "apprenticeship"
fantasy to which lonely, nerdy, and shy boys are especially prone, in
which the lonely misunderstood boy fantasizes about being taken under the
tutelage of a usually wizardly "Gandalf"-type adult who is an expert at
some arcane, often super-human skill. Under the influence of Ernest
Thompson Seton's book it is not hard to speculate how such a fantasy can
develop around a Native American tracker. One may speculate further that
such a fantasy, once elaborately constructed, could be believed by the
child and writing about it as an adult as if it actually happened could
become the basis of a lucrative career as a "tracking" expert.[/quote]
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Spekulation.

[quote]Speculation aside, Tom Brown Jr. does run a tracking school and is a
recognized go-to person in the field of tracking (although even there, he
makes some claims that are not widely accepted among other trackers, such
as claiming to be able to detect if a person is ill from their tracks). He
is likely self-taught. Look, if you want to believe the silly Indian
apprenticeship fantasies, you are more than welcome to, but the whole
thing smells a little too much like Mike Warnke's "Satanism" tall tales.[/quote]
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"Speculation aside", dann folgt mehr Spekulation ("He is likely self-taught.").

[quote]Brown's tracking school has been the subject of a Penn and Teller
Bullshit! investigation as part of an episode covering survivalism and
doomsday scenarios.[/quote]
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Wenn "Penn and Teller" jetzt als zuverlaessig gaelten sollen haben wir noch ein Tonnenkandidat, von dem sie sagen dass er "nichts als ein slechter Dichter mit paranoiden Neigungen war": Nostradamus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJmqtNjRUlQ

[...]

What I have heard about Brown:
Tom Brown has lost his friggin mind.
He learned what he initially learned about bushcraft from the Society of
Primitive Technology in New Jersey.
He took classes there and is remembered by the instructors.
He's a huge fraud. There was no Stalking Wolf or a Rick."[/i][/color]

Also jemand hat etwas gehoert; von wem? Man hoert auch anderen Sachen. Danach gesucht?
Wenn ich den "richtigen" Leuten frage kann ich auch leicht "beweisen" dass etwas mit jemand nicht stimmt. Fragen wir mal Patrone und Stephan B. was sie von BB halten...

Stalking Wolf wurde wohl auch erst 1978 erstmals erwähnt (siehe
hier
die Quellenangaben).
Dazu passt, daß er hauptsächlich Probleme zu beschreiben scheint, die um
1980 wohl noch mehr öffentliche Aufmerksamkeit bekamen, als heute:

- Hunger in der 3. Welt
- Ozonloch (= Löcher im Himmel)
- Umweltverschmutzung (nicht zu Verwechseln mit Treibhauseffekt)
- Waldsterben
- AIDS - jedoch aus heutiger Sicht von den Folgen her eher übertrieben
dargestellt (keine "Killerkrankheit" bei im Vergleich zur
Gesamtbevölkerung nur sehr wenigen Infizierten im Westen)

- Man stirbt nicht an AIDS> Von "im Vergleich zur Gesamtbevoelkerung" wird nicht geredet. Und sind Infizierten im Westen wichtiger als in Afrika?

Ich plädiere hierfür:

Gruß
Taurec

Insoweit ich sehen kann - und ich habe mich da ziemlich lange mit beschaeftigt - sind die Schauungen echt.
Eventuelle persoenliche Schwierigkeiten der Tom Brown zu haben scheint (oder gehabt hat) aendert das nicht.

Gruss,
Jayef