Diese Fotos würde ich gerne mal sehen ;-) oT
Geschrieben von Mick am 18. November 2000 21:03:46:
Als Antwort auf: Re: Zwischenfall in Fernost geschrieben von Johannes am 17. November 2000 01:06:23:
>Hallo Swissman,
>ich zitiere mal einen Beitrag, den ich dazu in einem anderen Forum gefunden habe.
>Viele Grüße
>Johannes
>
>[aus http://f10.parsimony.net/forum14061/messages/42921.htm]
>>Während die USA mit ihrem Wahl-Problem beschäftigt sind, gibt es seit kurzem auch in den USA-befreundeten Ländern im Fernen Osten (Japan, Philipinnen, Taiwan) verschiedene innenpolitische Probleme.
>>Währenddessen kommt aus Rußland die bizarre Meldung, russische Flugzeuge hätten unbemerkt einen amerikanischen Flugzeugträger (+ 14 Begleitschiffe!) im Japanischen Meer überflogen! Hier ein Auschnitt aus dem Bericht der L.A.Times:
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>>MOSCOW--Crowing with pride, Russia's air force chief claimed Wednesday that a group of Russian warplanes buzzed the U.S. aircraft carrier Kitty Hawk in the Sea of Japan, taking pictures of the reaction on deck, in an episode that flashed back to the cat-and-mouse games of the Cold War.
>> "For the Americans, our planes were a complete surprise," boasted Gen. Anatoly M. Kornukov, the Russian air force's commander in chief. "In the pictures, you can clearly see the panic on deck."
>>According to the Russian side, the U.S. aircraft carrier was refueling in the Nov. 9 incident and couldn't raise its jets until the Russian jets had twice passed overhead. The Russian SU-24MR reconnaissance planes were escorted by a squadron of SU-27 interceptors, Kornukov said.
>> Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsin, commander of the 11th Air Army, said the Americans began hastily cutting off their refueling pipes so that they could get their planes into the air.
>> "They accompanied us after that, but the deed had already been done," he said, grinning. "As to them, their commanders will have to sort out what happened."
>> Russian military analysts said U.S. planes fly over Russian vessels regularly, but according to Russian media reports, the last time a Russian plane managed a similar feat was in the early 1970s, and the crew was awarded the Order of Lenin, one of the highest Soviet state awards.
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>>Und hier ein beunruhigendes Kommentar von WorldNetDaily:
>>With the Middle East in turmoil and the Far East entering a crisis of its own, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak visited Bill Clinton a few days ago only to find the U.S. president hopelessly obsessed with the election recount on Florida. Of course, Clinton is not alone in this obsession. The entire U.S. media -- and perhaps half the country -- is obsessed with the Florida count. But in case we've forgotten, there's a big and sometimes bad world out there.
>>Aside from ongoing battles between Israelis and Palestinians, the Far East is not looking good. On Monday the Philippine House of Representatives impeached Philippine President Joseph Estrada because of a corruption scandal. On Tuesday the embattled president of Taiwan, Chen Shui-bian, was weakened when a crucial ally resigned from his party. Also on Tuesday, Japanese Prime Minister Yoshiro Mori resisted calls for his resignation in a leadership dispute that threatens to split Japan's ruling Liberal Democratic Party.
>>But the most ominous recent development in the Far East has to do with the U.S. carrier battlegroup that protects the Philippines, Taiwan and Japan from communist powers like China and North Korea. Incredible as it may seem, the Russian media is claiming that Russian aircraft penetrated the defenses of the USS Kitty Hawk on Oct. 17. According to Izvestia, units from Russia's Far Eastern Air Force and Pacific Fleet overflew the Kitty Hawk battlegroup without interception. "Nothing could be more awesome," said Izvestia. "Had this been a combat mission the aircraft carrier's destruction would have been guaranteed."
>>As experts will affirm, all potentially hostile aircraft approaching a U.S. carrier battlegroup are intercepted and escorted when they get to within 125 miles. Before they come to a distance of 25 miles they are given a serious warning. Within 15 miles the carrier's interceptors could be ordered to engage.
>>Did Russian military aircraft buzz the flight deck of the USS Kitty Hawk on Oct. 17 as the Russian's claim? According to sources with access to Western intelligence the incident did occur. In fact, two waves of Russian planes passed over the carrier before U.S. fighters were scrambled. According to one expert with 23 years experience in military aviation, over 15 separate ships (in the carrier battle group), with different and complimentary radar capabilities, were apparently unable to detect the approach of the Russian aircraft.
>>What does this signify?
>>Doubtless it is an important development in the military competition between the United States and the Russia-China "partnership." But from a technological standpoint, the Oct. 17 incident suggests that Russia may possess stealth technology which can render aircraft invisible to radar.
>>Theoretically, a device which emits a small amount of plasma can be used to envelop aircraft and shield them from detection. If perfected, such a device could be attached to any type of aircraft. If the Russians have this technology the United States is in serious trouble. If the Russians are preparing to sell this technology to China, we may not be able to defend our allies in the Far East.
>>According to Izvestia, the aerial mission against the Kitty Hawk battlegroup was organized by Russia's intelligence services. It was an intelligence-gathering mission to see if Russian air units could fly undetected into the airspace of a vital U.S. military asset. If this mission was a smashing success, as claimed, the consequences of Clinton's neglect of the military can no longer be ignored. The people of the United States have to understand the dangerous position they are in. If something doesn't happen to change the inward-looking self-preoccupation of the American public, the prosperity and liberty we now enjoy may be cut short by catastrophic events.
>>With China poised to act against Taiwan and North Korea at the peak of a 23-month military buildup, it is ominous that Russia's military prowess suddenly appears less than dilapidated. Of course, Americans are not paying attention for a number of reasons. This lack of attention is not merely because of the disputed presidential elections. In recent years a majority of U.S. pundits have asserted that we have arrived at an era of peace. Globalization has supposedly replaced great power conflict on the world stage. But this type of theorizing is childish. The world has never outgrown war and (if the term "human nature" has any meaning whatsoever) the world never will outgrow war. No doubt there will be those who scoff at the idea of a near-term military crisis in the Western Pacific. Perhaps they are right. On the other hand, we should seriously consider the words of Liu Jiangjia, a Chinese military officer who recently claimed that a new arms race has begun. In all seriousness, Liu stated, "War is not far from us now."
>>It is more than a little curious, at this moment of political uncertainty and division, that America's chief anti-communist allies in the Far East are experiencing internal upsets of their own. It is also odd that China and North Korea have been preparing for war, and that Russia has demonstrated the ability to sink a U.S. aircraft carrier previously assumed to be invulnerable.
>>While you were busy with Florida, the rest of the world was busy too.
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>>Davon abgesehen wäre auch unserem China-Freund Clinton eine grosse Krise genau recht, um auch nach dem 20. Januar im Amt zu bleiben (bis dahin wird sowieso noch nicht entschieden sein, on nun Bore oder Gush die Wahl gewonnen hat..).
>>Sieht echt nicht gut aus.