> # Etwas auf die schnelle

> Geschrieben von AlexP am 12. März 2007 12:24:53:

> Als Antwort auf: eingeschickt - stickstofflagerung - basey geschrieben von detlef am 12. März 2007 12:12:50:

> Geschrieben von basecamp2000 am 04. Juni 2005 21:26:57:
> Als Antwort auf: Getreidekühlung (Vorrat) geschrieben von Benni! am 02. Juni 2005 07:58:
> >Interessant ist die Angabe dass man Getreide "dauernd" lagern kann wenn die Temperatur und Feuchte genug tief sind.
> >Gruss
> >Benni!
> Schluesselwoerter fuer Saat, Getriede, Huelsenfruechte, usw. Langzeitlagern:
> 1. Kuehl halten
> 2. Trocken halten
> 3. Vakuum (oder so viel sauerstoff wie moeglich entfernen - sogar mit stickstoff ersetzen wenn's moeglich ist). Die Mormonen verwenden auch sauerstoff entferner ( http://www.desiccare.com/oxyabsor.htm ) Ich nehme einfach ein staubsauger, wenn ich gerade stickstoff dabei hab (vom schweissgeraet flasche) kommt etwas dazu.
> 4. Dunkel halten
> So mach ich schon seit mehr als 35 jahre, (hab's von Mormonen gelernt):
> Schau mal Eva's plastiktonnen (im kuehlen keller) an als sehr guter beispiel. Bei mir kommen 2 kunstoffbeutel rein, dann trockene, saubere ungemahlene getreide (oder huelsenfruechte, usw) bis zur 6cm vom rand. Da es schwierig ist genaue fuechtigkeitsgehalt zu prueffen gibt es "prueffkarten" ( http://www.desiccare.com/humcards.htm ). - Egal, ich nehme 1 kg getrocknetes silica gel im sauberen baumwollen beutel eingenaeht und stecke es 1-2 wochen mit ins getreide rein (silica gel zieht die feuchtigkeit aus den inhalt), plastikbeutel zu, deckel drauf. Demnaechst das silical gel beutel entfernen, luft mit staubsauger aus die innere kunstoffbeutel saugen (lappen uber saugrohrende), und innerer kunstoffbeutel gut unter vakuum zuschliessen, denn das 2. beutel auch schliessen zur sicherheit, deckel drauf und fertig. Noch gut fuer's verzehr nach 10-15 jahre, wenn's nicht geoeffnet war (oder durch nagetiere aufgebissen- achtung!!...). Hab's lange so erfolgreich gemacht!
> Silica gel ist erhaeltlich fuer einpackung feuchtigkeitsempfindliche geraete, usw. Nicht essen! - desshalb im sauberen baumwolle saecke einnaehen oder gut einbinden. Silica gel kann mann unendlich wieder verwenden, nur jedesmal im backofen 4 stunden @ 100 C trocknen (oder wie bei mir 1 tag im solartrockner) bevor man es braucht, in schliessbare kunstoff beutel anschliessend trocken aufbewahren.
> Mach's gut... BasecampUSA
> Mehr ueber silica gel:
> http://www.dehumidify.com/FAQ.html
> http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/s1/silicage.asp
> http://ptcl.chem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/SI/silica_gel.html
> http://www.desiccare.com/
> giftig? nein!... http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen99/gen99923.htm
> "A wise man profits from the experience of others" - Confucius
> (mit den live machen von links komme ich irgendwie nicht klar... faulheit? ;o)

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> Geschrieben von basecamp2000 am 01. Mai 2005 19:50:10:
> Als Antwort auf: Basecamp's Ecke - Survival USA style, meinungen und ratschlaege geschrieben von basecamp2000 am 26. April 2005 04:24:04:
> So, ist hier fortgesezt von Re: haferflocken
> >If anyone would like to know how I prepare food for long term storage, I would be happy to explain. I have seen people make very costly mistakes that they could have avoided.
> >Das interessiert fast alle hier. Wenn du etwas dazu schreibst, englisch ist ok, dann setzen wir das (übersetzt) in unser Wiki.
> >cu AlexP
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> "A wise man profits from the experience of others" - Confucius
> OK, survivalfreunde, machen wir hier weiter... denn ich mach schon seit 1969 erfolgreiches "dry canning" food storage. Bei mir ist nie was falsch gelaufen, wer kann sich dann fehler leisten wenn es mal ...drauf kommt?!
> Ich hab's nehmlich fast alles von den Mormonen** gelernt (wir wohnten zwischen viele Mormonen in Colorado an der grenze von Utah der Mormonen bundesstaat), und wer das hier nicht weisst, in die Mormonenkirche ist MINDESTENS 1 jahr vorrat an den mitgliedern angeordnet! Die Mormonen sind wahrlich"weltmeister" der "food planning and storage". **(Kirche Jesu Christi der Heiligen der Letzten Tage)
> In diesen abschnitt moechte ich hier hin kopieren was ein Mormone, ein Deutscher auswanderer der die schlechten zeiten des II Weltkrieg erlebt hatte und danach seine erfahrungen die Mormonenkirche mitteilte:
> F. Busche (1977) German Immigrant, Mormon.
> Frequently I am asked, "What were the most valuable items in the days
> of starvation in Germany?"
> ...As for what we needed, the food item we relied on most was vegetable
> oil. With a bottle of vegetable oil, one could acquire nearly every
> other desirable item. It had such value that with a quart of vegetable
> oil one could probably trade for three bushels of apples or three
> hundred pounds of potatoes. Vegetable oil has a high calorie content, is
> easy to transport, and in cooking can give a tasty flavor to all kinds
> of food items that one would not normally consider as food - wild
> flowers, wild plants, and roots from shrubs and trees. For me and my
> family, a high-quality vegetable oil has the highest priority in our
> food storage, both in times of daily use and for emergency use. When
> vegetable oil is well-packed and stored appropriately, it has a long
> storage life without the necessity of refrigeration. We found ours to be
> in very good condition after twenty years of storage, but circumstances
> may vary in different countries and with different supplies.
> ...The second highest priority item for me and my family is grain in
> all its forms, preferably wheat and rye. When grain is well-packed and
> well-preserved, it too is easy to transport, easy to store, and will
> last for generations.
> A third priority item is honey. Its value in daily usage is
> immeasurable. My family prefers honey rather than sugar because our
> experience supports some of the research findings regarding the
> preeminence of honey. Another reason I prefer honey is because during
> the starvation period in postwar Germany, honey could be traded for
> three times as much as sugar; its value was considered that much
> greater.
> A fourth important food storage product is powdered milk. These four
> basic items - oil, wheat, honey, and milk (or their equivalents in other
> cultures) - together with water, salt, and renewable basic foods such as
> potatoes and other vegetables, can satisfy nutritional requirements in
> times of emergency and also are valuable and usable in normal daily
> life.
> You might ask, "What about the many other food items and desserts
> that play an important role in our eating habits?" I shall always
> treasure the great experience I had in those hard times, when I learned
> to appreciate food with the most balanced nutrients. When a person is
> very hungry, the taste of food will change for him. In times of
> emergency, the Lord seems to provide a way to help our bodies adapt.
> ...When we think in terms of our own year's supply of those foods and
> materials we use on a regular basis, we may feel that every family will
> have to store everything. This, of course, is not easy and seems to make
> storage difficult. However, let me offer this comforting idea based on
> past experience. We need to take into consideration that in difficult
> times, so long as there survives more than one family, there will be
> trading of valuable items. A free market will begin immediately to
> satisfy the needs of the people, and items in greatest demand will set
> the price, bypassing the use of money. The ingeniousness of mankind
> becomes evident in times of need. When man is presented with a problem
> or challenge, if he is in a healthy spirit - which hopefully we are - he
> will find solutions that he never dreamed of. When a person has a good,
> healthy spirit, is able to adjust and is not afraid to use his
> imagination, he will find ways to survive.
> There is a long way from the point of hunger to actual starvation,
> and there is much that one can do to stay alive in hard times,
> especially when one is mentally and physically prepared. A garden, even
> as small as a window box, is of great value, as is the skill to be able
> to plant and to grow things. Following the war, in addition to having a
> small garden, my family was able to obtain the milk we needed by keeping
> a milk sheep, which gave enough milk for our family for the greater part
> of the year. (I have not seen this species in America, but it was very
> common in Germany.) Besides milk, our sheep supplied us with wool to
> trade or to use for knitting items. During the spring of the year it
> we would give birth to one or two lambs which could also be used for food
> or trade. Some of our neighbors had goats, but we preferred sheep
> because of the wool and because sheep seemed easier to tolerate and to
> work with. They required very little extra care and were easy to
> satisfy. Also, all over the country, even the large cities, people began
> to keep rabbits in small pens, and children had the task of looking for
> grass, dandelions, and leaves in order to feed their rabbits. In
> addition, people kept hens, and chicken coops were prevalent in all
> places. Because grain was too valuable to feed to chickens, other
> sources of chicken feed had to be found. Children found ways of breeding
> worms, beetles, and flies to be used for this purpose. People also built
> small, wooden handcarts which could be used to transport items used for
> trading, which took place wherever people met.
> There are some other observations one could also make: The true
> nature of people becomes obvious in times of real need. Good people
> become better; they get close to one another; they learn to share and
> become united. The strength that develops out of unity of the many good
> people becomes a real survival factor. On the other hand, people who
> lack emotional stability become cruel and ruthless under trying
> circumstances; however, they do not seem to become an overbearing threat
> because of the closeness and unity of the majority of the people.
> Therefore, strangely enough, those who have suffered hardships look back
> with find memories to the awful period of pain and destruction because
> they recall the closeness that developed as they united themselves to
> survive by sharing whatever they had.
> "There is more salvation and security in wheat, than in all the political schemes and monetary systems of the world at any time in history"
> -- Mormonen spruch
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> Haltbarkeit tabelle fur normale sachen vom supermarkt regalen
> fuer regelmaessiges rotieren:
> Barley, pearled 12 Months
> Barley, Whole 60 Months
> Buckwheat (kasha) 6-12 Months
> Corn cereal, dry Ready-to-eat 12 Months
> Corn Meal 18 Months
> Corn, Whole 60 Months
> Granola 1-3 Months
> Hominy & Hominy Grits 12 Months
> Oats, groats 1-3 Months
> Oats, rolled (oatmeal) 12 Months
> Oats, Whole 60 Months
> Popcorn, whole kernels 12-24 Months
> Quinoa Cereal 1-3 Months
> Quinoa, Whole 60 Months
> Rice cereal, dry Ready-to-eat 12 Months
> Rice, White 24 Months
> Rice, wild 24-36 Months
> Rice, brown 1-3 Months
> Rice, Minute (Kraft Foods) 18mo.
> Rye 60 Months
> Triticale 60 Months
> Wheat, shredded, dry Ready-to-eat 12 Months
> Geletin 18 Months
> Jello 24mo. Kraft Foods
> Olive Oil 24 Months
> ===========================================
> Naechster abschnitt: LONG TERM FOOD STORAGE was und wie mann auf laengerer dauer (5 bis 15 jahre) lagern kann, um dauerndes rotieren vermeiden. Spaeter auch -was mann unternehmen kann gegen diebstahl, pluender und beschlagnamen verhueten fals ausnamezustand / belagerungszustand, usw...

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> WOW!! VOLLTREFFER!!! Die Eva hat ihre hausaufgaben 1000% gemacht !!! Da kann ich nicht viel mehr sagen, weil wir machen es 35 jahre auch genau so mit fertigpaekchen, usw, nur in 200L stahltonnen mit verschliesbarer deckel (wegen nagetiere - eine bitterer erfahrung -ganz frueh gelernt im "root cellar"). Neben "fertignahrung" speichern wir auch verschiedene getreide und huelsenfruechte die auch zur not als saat dient hier am farm. Da verwenden wir 2 dicke kunstoffbeutel in der tonne, schuetten das gut rein, saugen die luft raus mit eine vacuum pumpe (milchmaschine), dann fuellen wir stickstoff von unten auf durch ein stueck rohr, und mit vacuum pumpe wieder unter vacuum setzen, auesseres, dann innerres beutel zu machen deckel drauf, gut verschliessen.

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